Comment by Vorticasheep
on 2023-10-01T20:17:36-05:00
get em out of here
Comment by Haelthyr
on 2023-10-01T20:19:36-05:00
What kind of “article” is this XD
Comment by Melittlelewy
on 2023-10-01T20:21:24-05:00
I bet this hits different with a certain demographic of Europeans.
Comment by Solloby
on 2023-10-01T20:28:12-05:00
Where are the Worgen going, are they accompanying the Night Elves to Amirdrassil or somewhere else?
Comment by LeeroyJenkinsIV
on 2023-10-01T20:38:09-05:00
get em out of here
Most based line in the entire comment section.
But nice to see Syl’s efforts getting absolutely dunked on, though I hope a return to Gilneas is in order. Perhaps a side plot for 10.2.5, or maybe 11.0?
Comment by deathlavitz
on 2023-10-01T20:58:21-05:00
That’s cool, I wonder if forsaken is going to get something like this as well in 10.3 or maybe they’ll have to wait a little longer and it’ll happen in like 11.0.5 or 11.1
Comment by ohvist
on 2023-10-01T21:07:36-05:00
I swear, we better have a questline involving the Worgen reclaiming Gilneas. Been waiting on that one since as far back as Cataclysm…
Also, wtf didn’t Gilneas get anything done during Battle For Azeroth? The Forsaken had been cleared out of Lordaeron, and the only other Horde presence besides Quel’thalas was a scattering of outposts owned by The Revantusk Tribe or The Defilers; neither of which would even boast enough firepower to take on the reunited Gilneas Liberation Front with the Horde focusing all of it’s attention on holding Arathi and Darkshore.
Comment by worldyofwarcraft
on 2023-10-01T21:20:05-05:00
They got Stonewall Mason’ed kekw
Comment by Bonky
on 2023-10-01T21:51:24-05:00
Thank god finally!
Now we can make Stormwind great again!Trump 2024!
Comment by JaceRaifel
on 2023-10-01T21:57:53-05:00
So, this gave me a random thought, what if all this is setting up for the main city hub(s) in the next expac? Each faction getting a new/reclaimed City? Amirdrasil for Alliance and New Undercity for Horde? Tho I’d rather Undead build the new City above ground in that massive area around the old Castle. So much better than the cramped and sometimes confusing undercity of old
Comment by hobbidaggy
on 2023-10-01T21:59:58-05:00
Also, wtf didn’t Gilneas get anything done during Battle For Azeroth? The Forsaken had been cleared out of Lordaeron, and the only other Horde presence besides Quel’thalas was a scattering of outposts owned by The Revantusk Tribe or The Defilers; neither of which would even boast enough firepower to take on the reunited Gilneas Liberation Front with the Horde focusing all of it’s attention on holding Arathi and Darkshore.
This 100%….they need to update the world and give these races their capitals. Restore a large section of Gilneas and as the expansion progresses more and more unlocks to show the progress and the rebuilding/cleansing of the plague from Gilneas using the truce between Horde and Alliance to have the plague consumed using the same process used by the Forsaken questline we saw in Shadowlands.
Then show a rebuilt and repaired Exodar and Silvermoon attaching them to the main instance of WoW continents and not still in the BC instances.
Let’s get these capitals restored and some progress made to the world in a meaningful way.
Comment by hobbidaggy
on 2023-10-01T22:04:59-05:00
So, this gave me a random thought, what if all this is setting up for the main city hub(s) in the next expac? Each faction getting a new/reclaimed City? Amirdrasil for Alliance and New Undercity for Horde? Tho I’d rather Undead build the new City above ground in that massive area around the old Castle. So much better than the cramped and sometimes confusing undercity of old
A floating Naxxramas style capital city would be cool to see. Have above ground of the capital housing some stuff like mount trainers and some other buildings/vendors, bank and AH maybe etc etc and floating over it all accessed via a teleport or something like that the “Leader” for PvP sake when people want to attack the capitals, and the portal room etc and maybe class trainers. Something like that would be really fun and would look cool.
Have the “Leader” on the roof like how we met the LK on top of the DK floating city in Legion when he gave missions to us. Make it a big platform battle.
Comment by Sleepyodin
on 2023-10-01T22:08:54-05:00
There should be cool characters visiting and even npc “adventurers” it’s the capital of the entire alliance. It’s immersive to have a city have more population and was kind of cool having nelfs even if they just had camps.
It would even make a neat quest/WQ helping train npc adventurers who you later just see in a zone like throw them in a random world quest area or show them at dungeon or raid stone occasionally since the world outside cities is super barren of normal npcs. It could even be a cool way to introduce new players to types of content.
Personally, anything that makes wow feel more like an actual lived in world instead of a hub based game is a plus imho.
Comment by Atanae
on 2023-10-01T22:13:32-05:00
I still think that Amirdrassil, a raid zone in an expansion that is going to be obsolete in November (because that’s how the community works) as the new Night Elf home is a really tonally deaf decision on Blizzard’s part. The way I liken it is if Blizzard moved the Forsaken to Icecrown. Because that’s pretty much the analogous development: obsolete zone that is designed around a raid and is nowhere near the ancestral home of the race in question – but has some thematic connective tissue to make it not be completely absurd.
I get the idea that some Night Elves may want to make their homes there, but the entire population that survived the War of Thorns, as well as the Worgen? When the Forsaken, who were part of the aggressors got everything restored to them, including Gilneas (apparently? I may be wrong) is just a really distasteful take.
Sometimes I feel that the sites and influencers are more concerned about being “right” than in whether the narrative choice makes sense and holding Blizzard accountable. The Night Elves were Night Elves before they had a Tree. Their home lands are a quarter if not a half a world away from this new World Tree (depending on if the current world map is all the planet or half of it). If “off Kalimdor” was even a thing, the Broken Shore makes more sense since at least they are Night Elf lands and while Suramar belongs to the Horde, Aszuna and Val’sharah do not.
I guess my frustration is that the community plays hard and fast with the Night Elves just as much as Blizzard does. On one hand, it’s “cheating” and “not real” to give back the location that was Teldrassil (even though you can absolutely grow a new Tree from a dead stump) but on the other have the Night Elves cheerfully set up shop nowhere near their ancestral lands, as if they always lived in Trees and don’t care about the rest of the lands they call home in some fashion. If you want consistency it can’t be both ways. And it’s outright hypocrisy to be salty about the Night Elves possibly getting their original home restored and then be gleeful that is exactly what happened to the Forsaken, including amazingly being able to undo the Blight itself.
In an ideal world, thematically both races would have their capitols restored, but changed, and the new racial start zones reflect the current state of that race. And if Amirdrassil was always supposed to be the new Night Elf zone, at the very least Blizzard should have put the Dragon Isles North of Kalimdor. That, at least makes sense and puts Amirdrassil closer to Northern Kalimdor. And if the decision was to always consign the Night Elves to an obsolete zone with a raid, then Hyjal made much more sense (though is fraught with complications).
At the end of the day, the decision to make Amirdrassil the new Night Elf home is narratively disjointed and hypocritical in light of the Forsaken having everything the happened to them unwound. And it puzzles me, since for years Blizzard has been smacked for not doing right by the Night Elves. And while I will always be a fan of the art team, and usually have deep trust in Anne Stickney, I am just floored that Blizzard just keeps “Mr Bean fixing Whistler’s Mother” with the Night Elf storyline, to the point that if all my assumptions are wrong and the resolution of the Night Elves is something profound and unguessed, I would still be angry for having gone through years of distress to get to this point. That’s not good storytelling, and I certainly wouldn’t wish any other WoW race to go through anything similar. For those of us who enjoy the lore, we should have stories that end up being worth the journey. Being consigned to a dead zone in an obsolete expansion, where the aggressors win all is not a good story, and I cannot imagine a resolution that makes having gone through all the awful narrative decisions to date worth it.
Comment by CyraptorINTJ
on 2023-10-01T22:42:06-05:00
Make Stormwind Great Again! Turalyon 2024!
Comment by BlackDragonAJ89
on 2023-10-01T23:17:09-05:00
I get the idea that some Night Elves may want to make their homes there, but the entire population that survived the War of Thorns, as well as the Worgen? When the Forsaken, who were part of the aggressors got everything restored to them, including Gilneas (apparently? I may be wrong) is just a really distasteful take.
Sometimes I feel that the sites and influencers are more concerned about being “right” than in whether the narrative choice makes sense and holding Blizzard accountable. The Night Elves were Night Elves before they had a Tree. Their home lands are a quarter if not a half a world away from this new World Tree (depending on if the current world map is all the planet or half of it). If “off Kalimdor” was even a thing, the Broken Shore makes more sense since at least they are Night Elf lands and while Suramar belongs to the Horde, Aszuna and Val’sharah do not.
I guess my frustration is that the community plays hard and fast with the Night Elves just as much as Blizzard does. On one hand, it’s “cheating” and “not real” to give back the location that was Teldrassil (even though you can absolutely grow a new Tree from a dead stump) but on the other have the Night Elves cheerfully set up shop nowhere near their ancestral lands, as if they always lived in Trees and don’t care about the rest of the lands they call home in some fashion. If you want consistency it can’t be both ways. And it’s outright hypocrisy to be salty about the Night Elves possibly getting their original home restored and then be gleeful that is exactly what happened to the Forsaken, including amazingly being able to undo the Blight itself.
In an ideal world, thematically both races would have their capitols restored, but changed, and the new racial start zones reflect the current state of that race. And if Amirdrassil was always supposed to be the new Night Elf zone, at the very least Blizzard should have put the Dragon Isles North of Kalimdor. That, at least makes sense and puts Amirdrassil closer to Northern Kalimdor. And if the decision was to always consign the Night Elves to an obsolete zone with a raid, then Hyjal made much more sense (though is fraught with complications).
At the end of the day, the decision to make Amirdrassil the new Night Elf home is narratively disjointed and hypocritical in light of the Forsaken having everything the happened to them unwound. And it puzzles me, since for years Blizzard has been smacked for not doing right by the Night Elves. And while I will always be a fan of the art team, and usually have deep trust in Anne Stickney, I am just floored that Blizzard just keeps “Mr Bean fixing Whistler’s Mother” with the Night Elf storyline, to the point that if all my assumptions are wrong and the resolution of the Night Elves is something profound and unguessed, I would still be angry for having gone through years of distress to get to this point. That’s not good storytelling, and I certainly wouldn’t wish any other WoW race to go through anything similar. For those of us who enjoy the lore, we should have stories that end up being worth the journey. Being consigned to a dead zone in an obsolete expansion, where the aggressors win all is not a good story, and I cannot imagine a resolution that makes having gone through all the awful narrative decisions to date worth it.
Orgrimmar and the Zandalari capital were used in raids. We’ve had various major cities get used as dungeons/instances. Who says this new world tree can’t be both an instance and a permanent fixture that people can visit in the overworld?
Comment by Schattensang
on 2023-10-01T23:41:40-05:00
Cut for wall of text
I am always a bit confused about how the Burning of Teldrassil is always compared to the Fall of Undercity. Teldrassil was a giant tree that was set ablaze. Undercity was a city made of stone that got blighted. It’s not like there was a mana bomb that detonated below the city to turn it to rubble.
So unless you want the Night Elfs to be going back to the charred remains of Teldrassil, there really is nothing to compare those two events. Because Undercity wasn’t even really damaged, except for the parts of the old capital, that weren’t used anyway. And clearing out the Blight is something we know isn’t hard to begin with. It’s pretty much poisonous gas. Give it some time and it is gone. There literally was no long term damage done to anything the Forsaken would care about in Undercity.
Comment by Schattensang
on 2023-10-01T23:44:06-05:00
Where are the Worgen going, are they accompanying the Night Elves to Amirdrassil or somewhere else?
That is something I am very curious about myself as well. Because on the PTR so far you don’t get to see any Worgen. Heck, we haven’t seen anything Worgen related for a very long time.
Comment by SilverDragon234
on 2023-10-01T23:47:33-05:00
They’ll still visit.
Comment by Lautner
on 2023-10-02T00:08:27-05:00
I get the idea that some Night Elves may want to make their homes there, but the entire population that survived the War of Thorns, as well as the Worgen? When the Forsaken, who were part of the aggressors got everything restored to them, including Gilneas (apparently? I may be wrong) is just a really distasteful take.
Sometimes I feel that the sites and influencers are more concerned about being “right” than in whether the narrative choice makes sense and holding Blizzard accountable. The Night Elves were Night Elves before they had a Tree. Their home lands are a quarter if not a half a world away from this new World Tree (depending on if the current world map is all the planet or half of it). If “off Kalimdor” was even a thing, the Broken Shore makes more sense since at least they are Night Elf lands and while Suramar belongs to the Horde, Aszuna and Val’sharah do not.
I guess my frustration is that the community plays hard and fast with the Night Elves just as much as Blizzard does. On one hand, it’s “cheating” and “not real” to give back the location that was Teldrassil (even though you can absolutely grow a new Tree from a dead stump) but on the other have the Night Elves cheerfully set up shop nowhere near their ancestral lands, as if they always lived in Trees and don’t care about the rest of the lands they call home in some fashion. If you want consistency it can’t be both ways. And it’s outright hypocrisy to be salty about the Night Elves possibly getting their original home restored and then be gleeful that is exactly what happened to the Forsaken, including amazingly being able to undo the Blight itself.
In an ideal world, thematically both races would have their capitols restored, but changed, and the new racial start zones reflect the current state of that race. And if Amirdrassil was always supposed to be the new Night Elf zone, at the very least Blizzard should have put the Dragon Isles North of Kalimdor. That, at least makes sense and puts Amirdrassil closer to Northern Kalimdor. And if the decision was to always consign the Night Elves to an obsolete zone with a raid, then Hyjal made much more sense (though is fraught with complications).
At the end of the day, the decision to make Amirdrassil the new Night Elf home is narratively disjointed and hypocritical in light of the Forsaken having everything the happened to them unwound. And it puzzles me, since for years Blizzard has been smacked for not doing right by the Night Elves. And while I will always be a fan of the art team, and usually have deep trust in Anne Stickney, I am just floored that Blizzard just keeps “Mr Bean fixing Whistler’s Mother” with the Night Elf storyline, to the point that if all my assumptions are wrong and the resolution of the Night Elves is something profound and unguessed, I would still be angry for having gone through years of distress to get to this point. That’s not good storytelling, and I certainly wouldn’t wish any other WoW race to go through anything similar. For those of us who enjoy the lore, we should have stories that end up being worth the journey. Being consigned to a dead zone in an obsolete expansion, where the aggressors win all is not a good story, and I cannot imagine a resolution that makes having gone through all the awful narrative decisions to date worth it.
Nah, not really. The majority of night elf identity revolves around protecting nature and their charge of taking care of the tree and the dream.
This is the new Darnassus, which itself was only around for a very short while because it was replacing Hyjaal’s tree. Before the world trees, they were magic folks primarily more similar to Suramar.
Besides, DArnassus itself was already a place in the middle of nowhere old content that nobody went to except for rp. The same will be said here. It’ll be uploaded and merged onto Dragon Isles in the spots created just for it. It’ll be a functioning night elf city, replacing the homes of both kaldorei and worgen. Worgen had been living there for years, in Darnassus, and just had two homes taken away by the Horde. No reason they wouldn’t go to the new home. Like, the night elves are their brethren. That’s like being angry that gnomes lived in ironforge.
This was the perfect location lore-wise. <3
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